…two pods in a cast?

It’s fine, I never wanted to be a comedian, anyway. The point is, I recently appeared on two podcasts (talking about Abernathy, naturally).

The first was Charlie Gilkey’s The Creative Giant Show, where the discussion elicited some raw passion that I wasn’t planning on sharing. Charlie is one of the most thorough and thoughtful people I know, and I’m grateful both for his continued friendship and the candid discussion he made space for.

The second and most recent was with Mr. Mike Street on his #SmartBrownVoices podcast. Mike totally gets what we’re trying to do with Abernathy, and we had a great discussion about why it matters. To boot, Mike is a titan in the social media marketing world and works behind the scenes with some of the most well-known brands in America.